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		<title>By: kataroma</title>
		<link>http://bleedingespresso.com/2008/04/happy-liberation-day-italia.html/comment-page-1#comment-35876</link>
		<dc:creator>kataroma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luigi - yeah that&#039;s exactly what I meant.  I think it&#039;s shameful that Italians don&#039;t remember the wide support they had for fascism before and during WWII - it&#039;s made out to be something which was imposed from outside.  It&#039;s especially sad when Italians make stupid statements about Germans being &quot;Nazis&quot;.  At least the Germans have (largely) come to terms with their past - learning about it extensively at school etc.  

Speaking of which - I&#039;ve been to the Jewish Ghetto in Rome lots of times and have not noticed a memorial to the thousands of Jews who were rounded up and deported there.  I guess there must be something somewhere - but where?  It&#039;s strange that in a city like Rome with such a rich Jewish past there is so little awareness of it.  

I guess considering the Lega Nord&#039;s recent victories and Alemanno&#039;s victory in the rome mayoral race I&#039;d have to say that those who do not remember the past are fated to repeat it.

&lt;em&gt;kataroma&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://kataroma.blogspot.com/2008/04/playing-pregnancy-card.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Playing the pregnancy card&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;It is truly disturbing to hear there may be nothing even in the Jewish Ghetto to honor those Jews who were killed, tortured, deported, etc. I know that the old concentration camp here in Calabria is basically overgrown and difficult to even find....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luigi &#8211; yeah that&#8217;s exactly what I meant.  I think it&#8217;s shameful that Italians don&#8217;t remember the wide support they had for fascism before and during WWII &#8211; it&#8217;s made out to be something which was imposed from outside.  It&#8217;s especially sad when Italians make stupid statements about Germans being &#8220;Nazis&#8221;.  At least the Germans have (largely) come to terms with their past &#8211; learning about it extensively at school etc.  </p>
<p>Speaking of which &#8211; I&#8217;ve been to the Jewish Ghetto in Rome lots of times and have not noticed a memorial to the thousands of Jews who were rounded up and deported there.  I guess there must be something somewhere &#8211; but where?  It&#8217;s strange that in a city like Rome with such a rich Jewish past there is so little awareness of it.  </p>
<p>I guess considering the Lega Nord&#8217;s recent victories and Alemanno&#8217;s victory in the rome mayoral race I&#8217;d have to say that those who do not remember the past are fated to repeat it.</p>
<p><em>kataroma&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://kataroma.blogspot.com/2008/04/playing-pregnancy-card.html' rel="nofollow">Playing the pregnancy card</a></em></p>
<p><strong><em>It is truly disturbing to hear there may be nothing even in the Jewish Ghetto to honor those Jews who were killed, tortured, deported, etc. I know that the old concentration camp here in Calabria is basically overgrown and difficult to even find&#8230;.</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Antonio Tahhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio Tahhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came across your blog and I think it&#039;s great! I was in Italy this past winter break, but didn&#039;t make it to Palermo (I was mainly around Florence).  I&#039;ve decided that I must go back and visit Southern Italy because it looks AMAZING! Enjoy yourself!

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hi Antonio, nice to see you! Yes southern Italy is a whole other animal, so to speak, so I hope you do get to come back and visit. Thanks for stopping by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across your blog and I think it&#8217;s great! I was in Italy this past winter break, but didn&#8217;t make it to Palermo (I was mainly around Florence).  I&#8217;ve decided that I must go back and visit Southern Italy because it looks AMAZING! Enjoy yourself!</p>
<p><strong><em>Hi Antonio, nice to see you! Yes southern Italy is a whole other animal, so to speak, so I hope you do get to come back and visit. Thanks for stopping by!</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Luigi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luigi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid  Kataroma may be quite right. It&#039;s easy to forget the unpleasant aspect of one&#039;s past. And while everybody knows that Italy was fascist, it&#039;s very common (and very human) to conveniently forget the popular support and imagine that fascism was some sort of external evil which dominated italy. Unfortunately, refuse to assume responsibilities for one&#039;s past is a scary sign. It means there&#039;s nothing wrong in walking the same path again : after all, last time it only went  wrong because of that other guy. It was not us. We are good.

I wonder what&#039;s the general attitude in germany.  What little I understand of that seems more healty. &quot;Yes, our grandfathers were mostly (insert unpolite word here, probably ending in &quot;holes&quot;). We know that and we got the lesson. Now, would you mind stop bothering me about it?&quot;. Of course I know only very few germans so I don&#039;t really know.

BTW. I was at beppe grillo&#039;s v2 (it was in my town, within walking distance from my home). Some things he says are quite right, and maybe he *is* the wake up call italy needs right now. However, I&#039;m a bit scared by the way he simply asked the public to insult given politician and everybody did just that. Plus I&#039;m definitely not comfortable by somebody attacking somebody because of his physical appearance. Berlusconi is definitely no favourite of mine. But anybody laughing at him because he&#039;s a &quot;bald dwarf&quot; is making me want to vote forza italia (or popolo della libertà or whatever). 

(and yes, I know he also mentioned politician all around the spectrum. It bothered me all around the spectrum )

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Making fun of Berlu&#039;s size is kind of a national pastime here--sort of how some (ahem) Americans make fun of our President&#039;s intelligence...but I&#039;d take a short Prez over a stupid one any day ;)

Excellent points in the first paragraph--as the saying goes (somewhat, I couldn&#039;t find the actual quote): those who forget/don&#039;t learn from history are bound to repeat it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid  Kataroma may be quite right. It&#8217;s easy to forget the unpleasant aspect of one&#8217;s past. And while everybody knows that Italy was fascist, it&#8217;s very common (and very human) to conveniently forget the popular support and imagine that fascism was some sort of external evil which dominated italy. Unfortunately, refuse to assume responsibilities for one&#8217;s past is a scary sign. It means there&#8217;s nothing wrong in walking the same path again : after all, last time it only went  wrong because of that other guy. It was not us. We are good.</p>
<p>I wonder what&#8217;s the general attitude in germany.  What little I understand of that seems more healty. &#8220;Yes, our grandfathers were mostly (insert unpolite word here, probably ending in &#8220;holes&#8221;). We know that and we got the lesson. Now, would you mind stop bothering me about it?&#8221;. Of course I know only very few germans so I don&#8217;t really know.</p>
<p>BTW. I was at beppe grillo&#8217;s v2 (it was in my town, within walking distance from my home). Some things he says are quite right, and maybe he *is* the wake up call italy needs right now. However, I&#8217;m a bit scared by the way he simply asked the public to insult given politician and everybody did just that. Plus I&#8217;m definitely not comfortable by somebody attacking somebody because of his physical appearance. Berlusconi is definitely no favourite of mine. But anybody laughing at him because he&#8217;s a &#8220;bald dwarf&#8221; is making me want to vote forza italia (or popolo della libertà or whatever). </p>
<p>(and yes, I know he also mentioned politician all around the spectrum. It bothered me all around the spectrum )</p>
<p><strong><em>Making fun of Berlu&#8217;s size is kind of a national pastime here&#8211;sort of how some (ahem) Americans make fun of our President&#8217;s intelligence&#8230;but I&#8217;d take a short Prez over a stupid one any day <img src='http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Excellent points in the first paragraph&#8211;as the saying goes (somewhat, I couldn&#8217;t find the actual quote): those who forget/don&#8217;t learn from history are bound to repeat it.</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Law Student Hot Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Law Student Hot Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So - first thing&#039;s first. Thanks for visiting my blog! You have no idea how excited I am when I have a new reader. Even if it is a new reader who has browsed one of my dumber posts. Ok, who am I kidding, most of my posts are dumb. Ok, all. Anyway. Hope you&#039;ll be back!

Now I&#039;ve browsed your blog and I am SO jealous that you live in Italy. I have had the pleasure of visiting, and am SO SO SO JEALOUS!!!!!!!!!!! OBSCENELY JEALOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, anyway, thanks for visiting!

&lt;em&gt;Law Student Hot Mama&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://whylawyerssuck.blogspot.com/2008/04/testiculardom-and-some-t-in-hopes-of.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Testiculardom and Some T&amp;A in Hopes of Boosting My Readership&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Well I can&#039;t say I&#039;m jealous of the law school thing...been there, and ew ;)

But no need for jealousy! Just a post-bar exam plane ticket! You deserve it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8211; first thing&#8217;s first. Thanks for visiting my blog! You have no idea how excited I am when I have a new reader. Even if it is a new reader who has browsed one of my dumber posts. Ok, who am I kidding, most of my posts are dumb. Ok, all. Anyway. Hope you&#8217;ll be back!</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ve browsed your blog and I am SO jealous that you live in Italy. I have had the pleasure of visiting, and am SO SO SO JEALOUS!!!!!!!!!!! OBSCENELY JEALOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Ok, anyway, thanks for visiting!</p>
<p><em>Law Student Hot Mama&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://whylawyerssuck.blogspot.com/2008/04/testiculardom-and-some-t-in-hopes-of.html' rel="nofollow">Testiculardom and Some T&amp;A in Hopes of Boosting My Readership</a></em></p>
<p><strong><em>Well I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m jealous of the law school thing&#8230;been there, and ew <img src='http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But no need for jealousy! Just a post-bar exam plane ticket! You deserve it!</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: karen cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a perfect day to celebrate. Hope it was a joyful one for you, Michelle. .....and that somebody handed you a chocolate or two.

&lt;em&gt;karen cole&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://karencole.blogspot.com/2008/04/parade.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;THE PARADE&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;That&#039;s very sweet Karen; I think I did have a chocolate or two on Friday ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a perfect day to celebrate. Hope it was a joyful one for you, Michelle. &#8230;..and that somebody handed you a chocolate or two.</p>
<p><em>karen cole&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://karencole.blogspot.com/2008/04/parade.html' rel="nofollow">THE PARADE</a></em></p>
<p><strong><em>That&#8217;s very sweet Karen; I think I did have a chocolate or two on Friday <img src='http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Italian News Snippets: 04.27.08 &#124; Italy Travel Guide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Italian News Snippets: 04.27.08 &#124; Italy Travel Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] past Friday was Liberation Day in Italy, and also V-Day 2, as noted by Bleeding [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] past Friday was Liberation Day in Italy, and also V-Day 2, as noted by Bleeding [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Susan at Sticky,Gooey,Creamy,Chewy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan at Sticky,Gooey,Creamy,Chewy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father used to talk about this day a lot. He knew that rhyme too.  During the heaviest fighting between Anzio and Cassino, they would hide all day in the caves carved in the mountains, and come out at night to forage for food.  Can you imagine?  He never forgot that hunger.   He would also tell me stories about when &quot;il Duce&quot; would visit his school.  Apparently, he was very sweet to the children.

&lt;em&gt;Susan at Sticky,Gooey,Creamy,Chewy&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/StickyGooeyCreamyChewy/~3/277990681/thinking-cloves-with-spicy-banana.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thinking Cloves with Spicy Banana Cookies&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thanks so much for sharing your father&#039;s memories Susan. I can&#039;t imagine what life must have been like, no. I was just talking to P&#039;s mom about this yesterday--said it was absolutely full of German soldiers around here and she remembers it like yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father used to talk about this day a lot. He knew that rhyme too.  During the heaviest fighting between Anzio and Cassino, they would hide all day in the caves carved in the mountains, and come out at night to forage for food.  Can you imagine?  He never forgot that hunger.   He would also tell me stories about when &#8220;il Duce&#8221; would visit his school.  Apparently, he was very sweet to the children.</p>
<p><em>Susan at Sticky,Gooey,Creamy,Chewy&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/StickyGooeyCreamyChewy/~3/277990681/thinking-cloves-with-spicy-banana.html' rel="nofollow">Thinking Cloves with Spicy Banana Cookies</a></em></p>
<p><strong><em>Thanks so much for sharing your father&#8217;s memories Susan. I can&#8217;t imagine what life must have been like, no. I was just talking to P&#8217;s mom about this yesterday&#8211;said it was absolutely full of German soldiers around here and she remembers it like yesterday.</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: cheeky</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheeky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee I learn something new every time I visit here, huh!
Il Duce was hung in a petrol station for all to see.
Those were the days.
I think it would be wonderful to hear stories from older generations like the
people in your village. How awesome and it&#039;s an added bonus that the memories they
have are *positive* ones of Americans. Yay to that!

&lt;em&gt;cheeky&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://suidafrikameetsusa.blogspot.com/2008/04/i-do-love-thee.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;i do love thee&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;It is definitely nice to be on the positive side of memories, yes :) Glad you learned something new here today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee I learn something new every time I visit here, huh!<br />
Il Duce was hung in a petrol station for all to see.<br />
Those were the days.<br />
I think it would be wonderful to hear stories from older generations like the<br />
people in your village. How awesome and it&#8217;s an added bonus that the memories they<br />
have are *positive* ones of Americans. Yay to that!</p>
<p><em>cheeky&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://suidafrikameetsusa.blogspot.com/2008/04/i-do-love-thee.html' rel="nofollow">i do love thee</a></em></p>
<p><strong><em>It is definitely nice to be on the positive side of memories, yes <img src='http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Glad you learned something new here today!</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we lived in Anzio for 3 months, we heard many, many tearful stories from old-timers who remembered the Allied landing there.  It was so touching.  Liberation Day here actually is connected with a huge picnic - about 15,000 (!!) people turned out up on Colle San Marco for a mass picnic outing...on the hillside where the partisans launched some very decisive victories.  After the wreath-laying ceremony, the food appeared.   Still Italian, after all!

&lt;em&gt;Valerie&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://2baci.blogspot.com/2008/04/raindrops.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Raindrops&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sounds so lovely Valerie! I imagine Anzio is full of stories, yes....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we lived in Anzio for 3 months, we heard many, many tearful stories from old-timers who remembered the Allied landing there.  It was so touching.  Liberation Day here actually is connected with a huge picnic &#8211; about 15,000 (!!) people turned out up on Colle San Marco for a mass picnic outing&#8230;on the hillside where the partisans launched some very decisive victories.  After the wreath-laying ceremony, the food appeared.   Still Italian, after all!</p>
<p><em>Valerie&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://2baci.blogspot.com/2008/04/raindrops.html' rel="nofollow">Raindrops</a></em></p>
<p><strong><em>Sounds so lovely Valerie! I imagine Anzio is full of stories, yes&#8230;.</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Paz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Liberation Day! Thanks for stopping by my blog.  

Paz

&lt;em&gt;Paz&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.thecookingadventuresofchefpaz.com/2008/04/21/tepid-chickpea-and-chicken-salad-with-zucchini-and-sundried-tomatoes-or-insalata-tiepida-di-ceci-e-pollo-con-zucchine-e-pomodori-secchi/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tepid Chickpea and Chicken Salad with Zucchini and Sundried Tomatoes or Insalata Tiepida di Ceci e Pollo con Zucchine e Pomodori Secchi&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thanks Paz, and thanks for coming by :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Liberation Day! Thanks for stopping by my blog.  </p>
<p>Paz</p>
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<p><strong><em>Thanks Paz, and thanks for coming by <img src='http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </em></strong></p>
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