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	<title>Comments on: Claiming Italian Citizenship Jure Sanguinis: How I Became Legal in Italy</title>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giuseppe, I don&#039;t know about challenging the law, but if you reside in Italy for three years, you can reclaim the citizenship your parents lost -- it&#039;s a special provision for those whose Italian chain was broken by one generation. See this link: http://www.italyworldclub.com/genealogy/italian_citizenship.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giuseppe, I don&#8217;t know about challenging the law, but if you reside in Italy for three years, you can reclaim the citizenship your parents lost &#8212; it&#8217;s a special provision for those whose Italian chain was broken by one generation. See this link: <a href="http://www.italyworldclub.com/genealogy/italian_citizenship.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.italyworldclub.com/genealogy/italian_citizenship.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Giuseppe Fiorino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giuseppe Fiorino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. My name is Giuseppe and I&#039;ve been struggling - Scouring Italian law for some time in order to find a solution. I&#039;ve been looking for some way to gain my birth-right as an Italian citizen...Even though the Italian government might not agree that I have a claim to it.

I was born October 4, 1970

My Parents immigrated to Canada in the 1950&#039;s. They married here in Canada in 1963 and naturalized as Canadian in 1965, together on the same day. The were never aware that they would lose their Italian status but it appears they did. (Can’t imagine how this is legal to begin with, Canadian naturalization did not mention or ask them to renounce)

All of my family is Italian going back to pre-unification times. In fact their comune&#039;s in Italy don&#039;t even have record of foreign naturalization, and in Italy there is no record of them as being anything but &quot;Italian&quot;

Like the US however I&#039;m apparently required to provide a &quot;proof of no naturalization&quot;. Of course they both did.

Is anyone aware of anyone in my position successfully challenging the 1912 law no.555?

If so on what basis? What content in the law they challenged?

Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I am still very confused by how one can gain their Italian citizenship via  jure sanguinis via grandparents. My parents were born in Italy...And my grandparents...Does this mean if my parents had been born here as Canadians, they would be able to pass citizenship to me – But being BORN Italain, and naturalizing, they have somehow lost this for them and themselves.

Does anyone know why they would have ever done such a thing to their country men and women? People who were driven away by circumstances created by the same govenrments? Was their any legitimate basis for this law that strips Italians of their cultural identity?

I can&#039;t believe that someone several generations out, has a more legitimate claim than I do... I find it bizarre that someone can be several generations out and even if there parents were born Canadian (or American) that they&#039;d have blood right and not someone who&#039;s parents naturalized just prior to their birth...The blood that flows through my veins is 100% Italian...

I need to find a way here...

If I could I would hop on the next airplane and just reside but frankly I don’t really want to naturalize. Even if I had work there....I want to be recognized as my blood is 100% Italian.

Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. My name is Giuseppe and I&#8217;ve been struggling &#8211; Scouring Italian law for some time in order to find a solution. I&#8217;ve been looking for some way to gain my birth-right as an Italian citizen&#8230;Even though the Italian government might not agree that I have a claim to it.</p>
<p>I was born October 4, 1970</p>
<p>My Parents immigrated to Canada in the 1950&#8242;s. They married here in Canada in 1963 and naturalized as Canadian in 1965, together on the same day. The were never aware that they would lose their Italian status but it appears they did. (Can’t imagine how this is legal to begin with, Canadian naturalization did not mention or ask them to renounce)</p>
<p>All of my family is Italian going back to pre-unification times. In fact their comune&#8217;s in Italy don&#8217;t even have record of foreign naturalization, and in Italy there is no record of them as being anything but &#8220;Italian&#8221;</p>
<p>Like the US however I&#8217;m apparently required to provide a &#8220;proof of no naturalization&#8221;. Of course they both did.</p>
<p>Is anyone aware of anyone in my position successfully challenging the 1912 law no.555?</p>
<p>If so on what basis? What content in the law they challenged?</p>
<p>Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.</p>
<p>I am still very confused by how one can gain their Italian citizenship via  jure sanguinis via grandparents. My parents were born in Italy&#8230;And my grandparents&#8230;Does this mean if my parents had been born here as Canadians, they would be able to pass citizenship to me – But being BORN Italain, and naturalizing, they have somehow lost this for them and themselves.</p>
<p>Does anyone know why they would have ever done such a thing to their country men and women? People who were driven away by circumstances created by the same govenrments? Was their any legitimate basis for this law that strips Italians of their cultural identity?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe that someone several generations out, has a more legitimate claim than I do&#8230; I find it bizarre that someone can be several generations out and even if there parents were born Canadian (or American) that they&#8217;d have blood right and not someone who&#8217;s parents naturalized just prior to their birth&#8230;The blood that flows through my veins is 100% Italian&#8230;</p>
<p>I need to find a way here&#8230;</p>
<p>If I could I would hop on the next airplane and just reside but frankly I don’t really want to naturalize. Even if I had work there&#8230;.I want to be recognized as my blood is 100% Italian.</p>
<p>Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Bleeding Espresso &#187; Conquering Italian Bureaucracy: Getting My Carta d&#8217;Identità</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bleeding Espresso &#187; Conquering Italian Bureaucracy: Getting My Carta d&#8217;Identità</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] allowed to have two citizenships because of a neat little thing Italian bureaucrats call &#8220;jure sanguinis,&#8221; or law of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Happy Father's Day - Happy Father's Day Wishes to All Daddies Everywhere &#124; Bleeding Espresso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy Father's Day - Happy Father's Day Wishes to All Daddies Everywhere &#124; Bleeding Espresso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to get American citizenship after leaving his southern Italian village allowed me to reclaim his Italian citizenship many years later and live here happily ever after without bureaucratic hassle; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question to you or anyone on this site is whether they have encounter difficulty between consulates when it comes to accepting a marriage certificate that doesn&#039;t show DOBs or parent&#039;s name (long form).  We live in New York, my husband&#039;s maternal grandparents got married in Oklahoma and in this state the certificate doesn&#039;t show DOBs or parent&#039;s names, so we are stuck, unless we move to Texas where the Italian Consulate will accept a declaration of the descendents along with the birth certificate (with apostille and translation to Italian) of the deceased couple.

We are now trying to establish his right to the Italian citizenship through his paternal grandparents but I am afraid we will encounter the same problem.  Most likely my husband&#039;s paternal grandparents got married in Maryland because she was only 16 or 17 at the time.  My understanding is that Maryland is another state that doesn&#039;t show the DOBs or the parent&#039;s names, which makes me think that the Italian Consulate in New York is going to give me the same response &quot;I am sorry but we cannot accept this certificate because we cannot establish the link.&quot;

I am not sure what to do at this point, it seems that even though my husband is Italian on both sides, he can&#039;t establish his right to it because the marriage certificates don&#039;t comply to the New York Consulate rules.  Our only solution will be that we moved outside of New York, to Texas or maybe Pennsylvania because maybe they will accept the certificate, but none of this makes sense.  Why is it that all Italian consulates don&#039;t abide by the same rules.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;I wish I had a good answer for you, Brenda, but your experience sounds like what I&#039;ve heard from others, how different consulates require different things. Is there any way to beg the people in OK to print you up a certificate with that info? They surely must have it on file, otherwise what were they asking for on those marriage licenses?!

Anyway, my grandparents were married in MD, and I think you&#039;re right at least about the lack of parents&#039; names; I&#039;m pretty sure the DOBs were on there though. What a silly requirement, though, about the parents&#039; names...isn&#039;t that what the birth certificates are for? And anyway, why did people *have* to be married to have kids anyway? If the next in line has a birth certificate with those two parents on, isn&#039;t that the link? 

Mah.

I really don&#039;t have any answers for you, I&#039;m sorry :(&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question to you or anyone on this site is whether they have encounter difficulty between consulates when it comes to accepting a marriage certificate that doesn&#8217;t show DOBs or parent&#8217;s name (long form).  We live in New York, my husband&#8217;s maternal grandparents got married in Oklahoma and in this state the certificate doesn&#8217;t show DOBs or parent&#8217;s names, so we are stuck, unless we move to Texas where the Italian Consulate will accept a declaration of the descendents along with the birth certificate (with apostille and translation to Italian) of the deceased couple.</p>
<p>We are now trying to establish his right to the Italian citizenship through his paternal grandparents but I am afraid we will encounter the same problem.  Most likely my husband&#8217;s paternal grandparents got married in Maryland because she was only 16 or 17 at the time.  My understanding is that Maryland is another state that doesn&#8217;t show the DOBs or the parent&#8217;s names, which makes me think that the Italian Consulate in New York is going to give me the same response &#8220;I am sorry but we cannot accept this certificate because we cannot establish the link.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not sure what to do at this point, it seems that even though my husband is Italian on both sides, he can&#8217;t establish his right to it because the marriage certificates don&#8217;t comply to the New York Consulate rules.  Our only solution will be that we moved outside of New York, to Texas or maybe Pennsylvania because maybe they will accept the certificate, but none of this makes sense.  Why is it that all Italian consulates don&#8217;t abide by the same rules.</p>
<p><strong><em>I wish I had a good answer for you, Brenda, but your experience sounds like what I&#8217;ve heard from others, how different consulates require different things. Is there any way to beg the people in OK to print you up a certificate with that info? They surely must have it on file, otherwise what were they asking for on those marriage licenses?!</p>
<p>Anyway, my grandparents were married in MD, and I think you&#8217;re right at least about the lack of parents&#8217; names; I&#8217;m pretty sure the DOBs were on there though. What a silly requirement, though, about the parents&#8217; names&#8230;isn&#8217;t that what the birth certificates are for? And anyway, why did people *have* to be married to have kids anyway? If the next in line has a birth certificate with those two parents on, isn&#8217;t that the link? </p>
<p>Mah.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t have any answers for you, I&#8217;m sorry <img src='http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Claiming italian citizenship &#8216;jure sanguinis&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claiming italian citizenship &#8216;jure sanguinis&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as so often, is the exquisite writings of Michelle at Bleeding Espresso, who has again set the soul food standard from which to set [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The coolest holiday house!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The coolest holiday house!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] need to find out the rules for foreigners owning property in Italia? Bleeding Espresso has a great rundown on the process of tracing and claiming jure sanguins citizenship.Hmmm, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life is Sweet or as they say in Italy &quot;Dolce la Vita&quot; , Im happy to say that the Embassy of Italy notified me this past monday that they have completed the process and establishment of Jure Sanguinis and that my file will be sent to my family comune on the next diplomatic post. So at this time is has been 3 months for me to process my Italian citizenship application here in Sweden. One important thing for every one to recognize, and it seems that no one really understands why it can take several months before a person documents are sent to Italy. This is because the Italian Embassy or Consulate must check with every single Embassy or Consulate around the world where you have previously resided for them to state that you have not signed any waiver to renounce your right to citizenship. And since I have lived in 2 states in America and 4 countries in Europe including Sweden, it took 3 months for all offices to respond. So now I just have to wait a few weeks and then I will contact my comune in Italy so they can just send me my certified Italian birth registry so I will not have to wait to deal with the Embassy. Soon I will have my passport and feel like a real Italian, and hopefully begin to attend Italian Language classes :) Hope you all will be as fortunate as me:) Bless ! Stephen

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Congrats Stephen! Glad to see that things went by relatively quickly at this point :)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life is Sweet or as they say in Italy &#8220;Dolce la Vita&#8221; , Im happy to say that the Embassy of Italy notified me this past monday that they have completed the process and establishment of Jure Sanguinis and that my file will be sent to my family comune on the next diplomatic post. So at this time is has been 3 months for me to process my Italian citizenship application here in Sweden. One important thing for every one to recognize, and it seems that no one really understands why it can take several months before a person documents are sent to Italy. This is because the Italian Embassy or Consulate must check with every single Embassy or Consulate around the world where you have previously resided for them to state that you have not signed any waiver to renounce your right to citizenship. And since I have lived in 2 states in America and 4 countries in Europe including Sweden, it took 3 months for all offices to respond. So now I just have to wait a few weeks and then I will contact my comune in Italy so they can just send me my certified Italian birth registry so I will not have to wait to deal with the Embassy. Soon I will have my passport and feel like a real Italian, and hopefully begin to attend Italian Language classes <img src='http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Hope you all will be as fortunate as me:) Bless ! Stephen</p>
<p><strong><em>Congrats Stephen! Glad to see that things went by relatively quickly at this point <img src='http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The principle of jure sanguinis is that you are Italian since birth. The process recognizes the citizenship you already possess.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Yes, thus the line in my post &quot;And that’s how I became legal in Italy and had my Italian citizenship jure sanguinis recognized.&quot;

It is worth noting, however, that although you &quot;possess&quot; citizenship from birth, if it&#039;s not recognized by that country, you don&#039;t *really* possess anything, including the right to stay in the country without a permesso....&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The principle of jure sanguinis is that you are Italian since birth. The process recognizes the citizenship you already possess.</p>
<p><strong><em>Yes, thus the line in my post &#8220;And that’s how I became legal in Italy and had my Italian citizenship jure sanguinis recognized.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is worth noting, however, that although you &#8220;possess&#8221; citizenship from birth, if it&#8217;s not recognized by that country, you don&#8217;t *really* possess anything, including the right to stay in the country without a permesso&#8230;.</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still waiting for your response ? Sorry to bother you today perhaps your not able to answer my questions ? I will  continue my search

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sorry, was lunchtime when you were sending messages; hopefully you&#039;ve received my answer by now!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still waiting for your response ? Sorry to bother you today perhaps your not able to answer my questions ? I will  continue my search</p>
<p><strong><em>Sorry, was lunchtime when you were sending messages; hopefully you&#8217;ve received my answer by now!</em></strong></p>
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